He fixed my brokenness. Once again, you are putting water H2O on par with the blood of Jesus, and that, my friend is very, very dangerous. I appreciate what you are saying about being in God`s presence. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Etc, etc. this is new age worship of another false Jesus, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pvdl8HDmkA. He stands for repentance, holiness and reformation Too many of us have gone too far the other way as a result of the charismania hype and false revivals. The miracle spoke for itself. A friend of mine said that it is unimportant how we baptize our job is just to save sinners. .Jesus warned His disciples against having this sectarian spirit. I used to think I was proud when I filled those out because I moved in every gift regularly Then I realized its NOT MY GIFTINGS BUT JESUS IN ME! They will walk into a childrens hospital and clear it out, even patients who had chemo for cancer will have their hair grow back. May our Lord give us boldness to step out of our comfort zones in obedience to His Word! (Although witchcraft might be in a different category than what He was addressing there.) There are four visions of the Son of Man as He is known in the heavenly realm & each vision in turn carries through to completion one aspect of the fourfold ministry which He exercised when on earth. The Holy Spirit IS THE GIFTwho MANIFESTS healing, prophecy, words of wisdom, etc etc etc. They are not satisfied with belonging to Jesus, they would make Jesus belong to them. The Jews did not APPROVE of the UNACCEPTABLE AND UNEXPECTED BEHAVIOR of Jesus Christ..therefore did not RECOGNIZE nor BELIEVE WHO HE WAS and did not want Him to be their King. You are mistaken in assuming when Jesus lengthens a mans leg that He copying the world my friend. Torben in that instance yes, because their baptism was a baptism unto repentance, now they had to be baptised by the Holy Spirit into believing in Christ Jesus. I will post a few excerpts from the book Your Power In The Holy Spirit by John G Lake, who I personally believe was a man used mightily by God to advance His Kingdom in the early 1900s. with legs growing out instead of the more impressive healings Yeshua said, of myself I can do nothing but only what I see and hear of the Father. The ENEMY comes as an angel of Light..and copies the same MIRACLES that Jesus did. 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Next, Sister Lankford told of the man with no arm. The gifts that are talked about in the NT are not like a pack of pencils that are doled out 1 to each person. Why is there so many reference in the NT of God using blood(death) & water(life) from the OT in making a covenant with His people? If we dont learn from history we are bound to repeat it. Yes, Andrew, any trickster can appear to do miracles. Seymour then asked the one-armed man, Can you work with just the one arm? It is sadly often, as Terri has said, that it is other Christians who have been disappointed or are afraid what others may think that pour cold water on the faith of others. Bob Jones, Bill Johnson, and all these false prophets, teachers, evangelists, etc, are all in cahoots with each other. The Last Reformation . Lets be respectful to one another as co-inheritors of the Kingdom and not act in our flesh. It confuses me right now, but hopefully it will clear up later, when I read more. (2 Co 11:3-4), From my experience people who blindly follow Torben and the Last Reformation tend to be shallow, immature very rude and judgmental if you dont exclusively follow all their teachings like water baptism as a requirement for salvation and that everything is a demon that needs to be cast out. The Gospel of Luke is about Christ the Mediator, the One who is touched with the feelings of our infirmities. `in His hand is a sacred censer.`, This shows the regenerative ability of the entitled Son of Man in His Creatorship & Judgeship. 2.Where did Jesus say that? Only Joshua and Caleb and their wives and sons and daughters were ultimately allowed to enter the Promised Land. A creator, a public speaker, a faith healer, and a Danish Christian evangelist named Torben Sondergaard has stated that God addressed him directly. In short, he is part of NAR.Although my area of focus has been on American leaders of NAR, I do want to draw people's attention to this European teacher as someone to watch. Hi Tom & Deborah I praise God for the healing that God does through him and yet my heart is saddened by the lack of healing for saints suffering in the Church. WHENEVER HE WANTS TO AND THROUGH ANYONE HE WANTS TO. Jhn 17:12 NASB While I was with them, I WAS KEEPING THEM in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled. (Galatians 5:15 NASB), If you slander Gods children then God doesnt like it , I would rather stay silent about someone than slander them. Jesus will outshine all when His servants take their proper place in the kingdom. So TWO SEPERATE things happened here; 1) they were baptised by the Holy Spirit just by BELIEVING in Jesus Christ no signs and wonders 2) Paul then needed them to go out and preach and he laid hands on them to speak in tongues (earthly languages) and prophecy. They also love to twist Gods word! Revelation shows that, in the end, people will curse God because of the plagues yet still refuse to repent. But our minds must CONFORM to the mind of Jesus Christ..not continually making up our own way of thinking. Torben makes friends for himself and not for the Living Resurrected Lord of all. I believethat the authentic move of the Spirit of Jesus to come ( actually has already begun) will be outside the church meeting or conference halls, will be very unreligious, will be very normally and authentically human in every way ( except that it will be marked by outstanding and miraculous answers to prayer) , will be accomplished by very ordinary, imperfect , unpretentious and normal people who actually dispise and disdain the relogiosity, hyper spirituality, wierd or ostentatious behaviors of the nascent promoters of WIERDSVILLE . Sometimes it is our fear for anothers situation which prompts intercession, the sharing of warnings, admonishments or what-have-you. He was a new believer who just found out about the Grace of God, the redemption of the cross, the Word of God. 2 Thess. The KINDness of God with that authenticity of seed in the fruit and not fruit alone. I do not see anything wrong with what they are doing. This is the church! I have a friend who is going to Redding California to Bethel church under Bill Johnson to experience signs, wonders, and healing. I know many false things are going on there. Thank you for your comment. This is what has happened throughout history and is nothing new. It is finished. This video speaks of the amazing things that happen when you take new believers out healing the sick, preaching and baptizing, etc. Again I see Torbens ministry as very specific as it relates to showing the wonders and love of God to non-believers in the street. And hopefully nobody will misunderstand and think you are accusing these young men of wrongdoing. This went on for quite some time, before he was exposed. We walked out because we felt so oppressed. I am very wary of Him, indeed. And thank you Andrew and Torben. I hear you Lightning Storm. Squashers of joy, and those who make light when someone says theyve been healed by Gods power, would rather remind the church about the warning that many will heal in His Name and do works in His Name and expect entrance into heaven, and Jesus will say, Depart, I never knew you. Others fall into the Jesus said many will come in His name, saying that He is Christ. Lord heal out hearts of the cynicism. share the gospel. Remember Moses staff and miracles brother? You wrote: Paul was using both water and Spirit so many times in his epistles. Have you forgotten that Paul also said, For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. (1 Corinthians 1:17). Goodbye Christianity. nitpick every instance of the supernatural or the gifts of the Whats the point of us being baptised in water? For those who accuse us of being guilty for following and receiving the Holy Scriptures promise in Acts, then we guilty as charged. When He praised the faith of people, it was not because of their orthodox theology, or the fact that they belonged to some organization, but on account of their simple faith in His person, http://awildernessvoice.com/OneBodyInChrist-Chapt06.html, Roger..Absolutely Beautiful. Or has it being ongoing amongst everyday people since He was sent to indwell those whom God draws to Himself..? December 26, 2022 This is the second episode of a series around the persecution of Torben Sondergaard, a Check it out Dr. Michael Brown Interviews Torben Sondergaard January 14, 2023 An interview from prison with Torben Sondergaard and his immigration lawyer Michelle C Snchez, P.A. Amen Barry, the things I have encountered and seen are incredibly weird. You said, `the backdrop of the whole Bible is needed to understand the point & purpose of revelation.` So true. LET HIS KINGDOM COME AND HIS WILL BE DONE IM HIS PEOPLE ON EARTH AS IT IS DONE IN HEAVEN!!! To accredit the winsome and wonderful man Christ Jesus with convulsions, animal noises, crears, hundreds of people acting completely out of control, jerking , wild shaking, out of control mocking laughter- to attribute these to Jesus is blasphemy and just plain stupid! Literally what to do to get Seymour said teasingly. So, you may now attack the truth once again. Where was the simplicity of Christ there? Yeah, I think the bottom line is that people really need to read their bible more, and pray as you do it. My initial reaction of the first video is that it is a hoax. Of course not. It is actually 2)God can do what HE SAID HE CAN DO God plants us as good seed WHERE HE WANTS US IN HIS FIELD- then we simply let Jesus shine out from us and people in the fields around us come running. Just because someone says they are doing something in the name of Jesus does not make it so. God always has and always will place things in the midst of His miracles that cause the insincere and the sceptic to be scandalized over and can be interpreted as either genuine or a scam. At the meeting, Sndergaard says he was accused by FBI agents of smuggling weapons into the U.S. from Mexico, a claim hewholeheartedly denies, and placed in handcuffs. That is the way the Pharisees operated with Jesus. He avoided being arrested in 2019. A few weeks later the man came back, bringing about 200 people with him, telling many at the meeting that he had gotten his old job back. Was it not God who originated each miracle and the devils servants Jannes and Jambres who were the copycats ? And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand [was] leprous as snow. Jhn 17:11 NASB I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Im really excited about God doing miracles in EvangelismBut like someone else already pointed out: Shouldnt one also combine these Healings with the Gospel of Repentance? I think it very badly needs to be looked at. I did nothing of myself ! The Cross - Only the Death Sentence Will Avail is lacking. Is God feeling ambivalent about those healings when He led Korban to record them? But as Teshuva said the enemy will come to try and destroy the works of God, it is not a matter of if, it is only a matter of when, so it is a kindness when the enemy is seen coming in the distance that someone warns of it. He says that people that were baptised by John the Baptist needed to be baptised again by the Holy Spirit. Similarly, the couple seems to be the parent of their kids. Perhaps you should read the whole passage up to verse 12. The government then investigated their family when they began homeschooling. Exd 4:7 KJV And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. So the real test is that you will react to something the way Jesus wants you to react, and you are unable to do that if you dont always listen and obey. Judge Yon Alberdi, an appointee of Obama Attorney General Eric Holder, ruled Sndergaard did not meet the requirements for asylum. We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. This video does a VERY poor job showing that these people are doing. The fakes and charlatans lengthen legs to try to copy the original healings of God. I dont even have the right words for the understanding that I do have, or think I have. Hypnotist Torben Sondergaard & his Cult of Demonic Hypnosis - Destroyed by God All these false movements intertwine like a thorny bush. The answer to that question is I most certainly try when I feel the Lord speaking to me. Upon Sndergaard's arrival in the U.S. in 2019, he immediately applied for asylum and set up his residence in California while he grew his ministry. Like maybe God wants a *clear* separation of His ways from the enemys ways? What Averyl said is very sensible. preached. Even in our disagreements we need to be glorifying God in all that we do. If youre not experiencing His tangible Presence in your private prayer time, youre missing the LIFE that Jesus Christ DIED TO GIVE TO EACH OF US for the salvation of the rest of the world. Afterfastingfor 40 days Torben Sndergaard also believes that God revealed a self-help book for him,[28]saying I will give you one chapter each day.[29]. The Youth and Children of Azusa Street Tell Their Stories Retold by Brother Tommy. It is not his teachings that I have flagged so much. of hyper-grace and hyper-charismania. The only reason I havent is that Andrew vouches for him and I know Andrews heart. I guess I was one of those people Andrew is referring too. Just like the Seymour didnt preach that night. I also believe that `experiencing,` comes through being changed into His likeness, which is the most amazing work of God in our lives. How could a man break 4 to 6 inches of hard sapphire? stayed in his home and spent time with his family. Share on whatsapp. According to Torben Sndergaard, God made him time travel back to before he was born as a confirmation[27]. Today is the day of salvation, work while it is yet day. Beware of associating water with blood. Further, He personally commissioned them to perform these miracles. i would be interested in your comments on Isaiah Saldivar who has miracles happening on the streets, in his home and in church. The descent into normalizing WIERDSVILLE: Step 1. Dont forget Old testament where the axe head raised up out of the water, and poisoned waters were made drinkable. Got kids?Yes.This man needs to be able to make a living. This is what every believer should be doing preach the gospel, heal the sick, cast out demons. The truth about Torben Sondergaard and the Last Reformation. to become the type that accuses first and asks questions later. I went to a conference of Rick Joyners where women with extremely long hair writhed on the floor like serpents (these women were allowed on stage). See article on biblical explanation of. 3) I am who God said I am Thats not me even mentioning all the weird things that happened while I was at his school for 2 months before I left. Jhn 17:18 NASB As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. the Hebrew word: yare is used 305 times in the OT.most OFTEN in the NEGATIVE. Just because you believe it doesnt make it true. Torben Sondergaard is a self-proclaimed apostle and faith healer from Denmark who claims to receive revelations and visions directly from God. The Pioneer School (online) - Torben Sondergaard is the evangelist from Denmark whose Last Reformation movement now spans worldwide. Sure there will be people who say Lord did we not cast out demons, heal the sick etc. John 9:4 1) to put to flight by terrifying (to scare away) Such a sad time. Rom 3:23 KJV For all have sinned, and COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD; In other words.you have failed to manifest the tangible Presence of God and His Nature. It is starting to get gangrene where the wooden leg attaches. If I refused to rejoice, I would have no ask myself some serious questions about who I serve. Using Jesus' words in Luke chapter 10, Torben refreshingly reveals that Jesus' message was not only for His disciples and those who lived during that period of time . Lightning amen! Yet when he went back up the mountain, God said to Moses, you write the law, you want it, and so while Moses was writing the law, God was telling him about His Son and grace. 2:11. May we look beyond the instrument and method that Almighty God will choose to use at His discretion and give Him the glory and recognition for His involvement in our individual lives..? You cannot use this passage to validate water baptism. To PROVE to the people that GOD EXISTS and He is Who He says He is! it was very common in the early church and i just studed Jude , one chapter . 1) to fear, revere, be afraid Stay bless. He knows the grief of a wounded spirit. Jesus said greater works than these shall you do! This i believe: Jesus was emphasizing both the Water and His pending Holy Spirit in Jhn 3:5 . His Kinship (relational) was expressed epressed Matthew, His Heirship in Mark, His Mediatorship in Luke & His Judgeship in John. We know from scripture what God thinks of hybrids/mixtures, so we are not to touch the unclean thing but come out of there. I said, You got him? I say Thank God that He is NOT a comfortable little idol that fulfills mankinds desires, dreams, and PERFORMS according to mankinds EXPECTATIONS. Start that IN ME MY GOD!!!! Boy! Andrew, why do you attack the truth in the age of deception? I turn on the water in our shower and, lo and behold, all the dirt, dust etc. Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. Everything was dependent on the Spirits uniting men to God through their faith. The apostles werent charlatans when Jesus cautioned them to rejoice only that their names were in the book of life, and Jesus was surely not a charlatan when they tried to put him on a pedestal and make him a king. Amen. Bill Johnson, and all these false prophets, teachers, evangelists, He is an independent agent creating his own kingdom of the world, presenting it as the Kingdom of God. 0 20 20 comments Best Please check your SPAM if you do not receive confirmation email. Does that mean they REPENTED AND GOT BORN AGAIN? See what Chas351 wrote about how Jesus responded to those who wanted to make him into something, He wisely fled temptation. Let God arise and let His enemies be scattered ! Brown Is LIVE on the Line of Fire every Monday - Friday from 3 - 4 PM EST On Facebook and Youtube.Sign Up for Weekly Updates! He does not require us to do anything for Him, but on the contrary, works through us to do His will, and pleasure. Fear THAT MAN! When my dad died, I lost it and wept, my emotions were running wild and I was broken. Gen 15:9-18 & Gen 17:9-14 Abraham and his Seed The Holy Spirit doesn't require a cookbook instruction manual the TLR promotes." (Isaiah 60:1-4 KJV) If I were to just watch the first video, I would definitely right Torben off as one more phony. And when man USES these things, that is witchcraft. The Greek word: phobe is used in the NT 110 times. I have never see one video (much less the one with Torben) providing evidence of objective healings. Or are these myths? Mar 9:39 KJV But Jesus said, Forbid him not: FOR THERE IS NO MAN WHICH SHALL DO A MIRACLE IN MY NAME, THAT CAN LIGHTLY SPEAK EVIL OF ME. 3.Arent all the epistles (Rom to Rev) written to baptized(fully immersed) communities who started taking up their cross to follow Jesus pattern1Ti 1:16? I have no agenda other to please Him. Quote.. Trenton [8]Lack of healing is caused by a lack of faithwhich is Word of Faith doctrine to the core. So I would like to ask you about a danish evangelist Torben Sondergaard. in Denmark who fully represents the gospel as it should be But Yeshua calls His followers sheep. we have to be about establishing what is right. Trenton its better to show a little wisdom and not say anything but spend some time in prayer and seek the mind of the Lord, then to say something you will regret later when God reveals all things. I am currently looking for people who got involved in The Last Reformation or with Torben Sondergaard (its leader). 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