ford 8n hydraulic lift control lever adjustment

He ships the jig with documentation that has helpful hints about things to check that the manual doesn't talk about that'd keep one from getting the proper adjustment. And does it come out from the top or bottom?? Get a replacement or straighten the one you have. If someone has substituted bolts where there should be pins, replace them with the correct hardware. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Some people recommend flushing the system with kerosene or diesel fuel. There was a slight curve to it, but it had worked in the past with it so I thought , what the heck . Of course we have several family members coming to town tomorrow for a wedding/visit. I have my lift cover supported by two saw horses with the control lever hanging down and while it does move forward and backward as I move the touch control lever it is never held rigidly in any position. Luckily the tractor gets little work. This post was edited by jasmith503 at 16:47:01 06/09/15. There has got to be a better way. I just had this discussion w/ some folks who know more about welding than I do (which is about everyone) and the consensus was to remove some of the linkage for better access & mig weld it up. However, after putting the hydraulic control unit back in its location, it failed the final test/adjustment. It is bent to the front which I would think would help me. I'll hold off on that and try without first. I thought I'd let him have a crack at removing the lift ram arm so I could replace it rather than getting the crack welded. The fluid level in the transmission/hydraulic sump is way less than half full. Finally, I think I'll just get one of your jigs. It may not have been changed in many years. Make sure the oil level isnt low. Dean Thanks, I guess my lift issues may have been a blessing as they led to finding the crack. I did a lot of work on the first one, so I'm familiar with how they work, but I've never encountered this problem. "publisher": { Epoxy? Thanks. My pic is attached. I'll let you know how I do. It should be set so that it requires a pull of 4 to 5 pounds on the knob to move the lever. Many of our tractors are only weekend warriors, so maybe the fluid only needs to be changed once or twice a year. I have the same problem. (6) Install the hydraulic unit on the tractor, making sure that the end of the control arm enters the opening in the valve control lever and that the control arm is not bent or damaged in any way during this operation. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see OK,OK step one first. ditto that. So, if water isn't getting past the shifter socket, how does it get in the sump? You must log in or register to reply here. Should the cam be smooth across its width? No problems with cavitation for my live hydraulics external pumps. I'll let you know how I do. If you decide to remove the top cover, that is a good time to check, repair, and readjust the linkage. First of all, this the 3rd 8N I've owned since '96. FIRST push the clutch in and make SURE the PTO is engaged. The pump piston pushes the oil out then pulls it back in as it returns. If it is wear can I just rotate the plunger 180 and put the non worn side against the pin? I replaced the position control pin, and straightened the control arm. You definitely dont want that to happen. Wrong? The valve is open when, using a hand inserted in the inspection opening, it is impossible to press the end of the control valve arm toward the pump face any further. "height": 57 Welding is on the long list of things I know nothing about. Press or drive the worn pin out. Measuring parts just won't cut it when all the parts are not still the same shape and measurement that they were when new about 50 years ago. Of course we would recommend welding / brazing it or taking some where while it is apart . My lift is very jerky and erratic when raising.. and if it looks like the pic, it will need to be repaired. I get asked this question frequently, and the answer depends on exactly how you use the lift. I.E., I can grab it and move it freely front to back. We had one in the shop but I didn't have a clue what it was for until I attended the training session on the lift. If my brother-in-law has any luck with that I'll use your suggestion on cutting the arm ram off. The position control pin and the control arm were both bent. Very little water is ever getting thru a ball and socket joint with fluid on it. My lift went up but now it wont go down.. If the oil looks milky, its got water in it. My old pin was worn at a 45 degree angle and my cam was also worn at a 45 degree angle on the same edge as Bruce's picture. We keep the brush down in the woods. Still, that is just native grass and weeds. . (800) 853-2651Shop Now TRACTOR PARTS Allis Chalmers Case & David Brown The oil sump holds 5 gallons that is shared with the transmission and rear end of the tractor. 2 - Did it freeze last night? Then, wet some rags & stuff them in the cover to catch the shavings when you grind it back down. I have copied the steps from my August 18, 1948 operators manual below. Working the tractor gets the fluid very warm. Any moisture we can drain off this way will not be in there to mix with the fluid when it warms up. Here are some suggestions to get you started fixing your tractor. Welding is on the long list of things I know nothing about. And the control rod must be perfectly straight. 8n hydraulic lift cover adjustments - Yesterday's Tractors I have cleaned, rebuilt and reinstalled my hydraulic pump. Now it is only used about 10 Hours a year. Nov 11, 2020 / 3 Point Lift Lever "stop?" #9 Tinhack If you are on a tight budget, using the least expensive UTF "Straight Mineral Oil" equivalent to the old GL-1 spec won't cause anything horrible to instantly happen to your tractor. 2023 TractorByNet.com | TractorByNet is a registered trademark of IMC Digital Universe, Inc. Other trademarks on this page are the property of their respective owners. Water isn't flowing thru a damaged shifter boot into the sump. (6) Install the hydraulic unit on the tractor as outlined in section 382, but do not install the inspection plate. plow should lift at the top of the quad in draft contorl.. if it won't.. it needs adjustment. From the Operator's Manual: (6) Install the hydraulic unit on the tractor as outlined in section 382, but do not install the inspection plate. Required fields are marked *. Should the cam be smooth across its width? "@type": "InteractionCounter", Attach a heavy implement (anything weighing at least 150 pounds should be enough). Is my problem in the relief valve? Make a Took the yoke off the draft sensing spring. Wrong? That is all you need, any more will just leak past the axle seals and get on your brakes. } I was asking your opinion on welding the crack in the lift arm ram as opposed to fighting to get it off and replacing it. My cam is not worn anywhere close to the pic that Bruce posted. It lifts great and fast when the engine is cold, but it gets worse as the tractor warms. May have nothing to do with my issues but seems dumb to leave it like that. Thought it might be an oil pressure issue. Remove the right inspection plate that has the hydraulic dip-stick. I can remove the cover and post a pic if it will help. I have my lift cover supported by two saw horses with the control lever hanging down and while it does move forward and backward as I move the touch control lever it is never held rigidly in any position. With about 800 pounds on the lift arms, the front tires start to come off the ground. ZANE THANG & STUFF It just ain't possible to adjust the lift linkage on the 8N Ford unless you have a jig Now Zane, that sounds like a challenge that I'm up to. Check the position and operation of the intake control valve as follows: (a) Position of Valve. }, If the hydraulics dont go up at all, its likely that the ball socket is the problem (worn out or jumped out of place). (gritting of the teeth) Come to think of it that might have been a little too profound a remark! Thanks to John Smith of Old Ford Tractor for allowing us to use this information. The crack has nothing to do with the lift performance at this time. The Operator's manual says to change the fluid every 600 hours. Welding certainly sounds easier if it will do the job. If the lift wont raise at all, first make sure the pto is engaged and the pto shaft is turning as it should be. Good to know this is how it's supposed to work. (800) 853-2651Shop Now TRACTOR PARTS Allis Chalmers Case & David Brown Farmall & International Ferguson Ford & New Holland John Deere Again, thank you for the help. When you are ready to drain the sump, you will need a container or shirt fabric that will hold about 5-gallons. May be where I end up depending on what Zane says. When the air cools moisture condenses on all those cool metal surfaces inside the sump. A mirror can be used to try and pinpoint where the leak is. Simple. However my problem on my 51 8n is the lift arms go all the way up and wont go down unless I let it set for several days. See the link below for information on my jig and instruction booklet on the 8N etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm hoping the relatively light duty work will make the weld option more viable. May be where I end up depending on what Zane says. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Right. If the relief valve is leaking you will see the oil bubbling up from the pump area. )* Simple. Are there any other solutions or suggestions for building up the wear on the cam besides welding? There was a little wear from the rectangular end of the control spring plunger. I'm a little confused on the weld issue. If you plan to flush it anyway, drain the plugs in any order you want. "interactionStatistic": { Little heat and came off pretty easily. Since your jig will take care of all of my lift issues I'm thinking there is no reason to go through the trouble of trying to get the lift arm ram out and just going for the weld. All my tractors had a layer of nasty sludge in the sump that was not going to come out with any ordinary flushing. Do not unscrew the plugs to try and get water to flow faster. and if it looks like the pic, it will need to be repaired. 6 - Has it been more than a year since the fluid was changed? Epoxy? I'm new to this forum stuff. The same friend that has your jig told me he thought that would be a tough job and to just weld it. The most common problems with the 8N linkage are wear and bent linkage. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Zane, Thanks for the info. I couldn't even get the lift arm off of the end of the splined shaft. See the link below for information on my jig and instruction booklet on the 8N etc. Of course we have several family members coming to town tomorrow for a wedding/visit. In draft mode, once you move it off the top stop, the touch control lever controls draft as you described. I got in the habit of wearing safety glasses 100% of the time in my shop. Once I get the lift arm ram welded I will proceed with the jig. "name": "Jasmith503" Loosen the 4 bolts holding the quadrant control lever bracket to the top cover. Welding is my call? (7) Place the position control lever in the forward position. If you only have time to do one, do that one. My 8n lifts and lowers great in when the system is in "Position Control". There is only one filler cap located on top near the gear shift lever. Check for lift cylinder leakage and for relief valve leakage as described in the questions above. (2) Put the position control lever in the forward or draft position. Have a friend with a MIG welder but Zane advised 7018 stick welding, which I'm sure I could get done in town. I'll send an e-mail to your site. If that is loose or the seal was leaking, plan on replacing the bearing and seal while you have it out. 4 - Do you leave your tractor parked outside? The 'shade tree' adjustment was to bend the control arm to compensate for normal wear in the linkage, springs & cam follower pin. Plate was about 1/32 concave on one edge. I have a friend that has your jig (or, I should say purchased one). Is the something else I should change to get the valve to completely open? $32.95 . My cam is not worn anywhere close to the pic that Bruce posted. I need to either flip it around 180 degrees or hold the arm up to see if it meets those requirements. Bending the control arm is a lazy man's "fix" for a worn cam follower pin. If the cam follower pin is worn replace it. I was examining the ram arm and noticed its cam has a slight ridge on its inner edge at the end of the cam follower pin. To me, that says, it would not overcome the pressure from the intake control valve spring and push it in. The NAA piston and seal will cost more to replace than just buying new cast iron rings. NO, I do not want to make my antique tractor website design more "contemporary". I previously posted a pic of the crack. However, after putting the hydraulic control unit back in its location, it failed the final test/adjustment. That left only a small amount to drain from the two big plugs. If you can see the other posting I just placed with the pic you will see perfectly straight would not describe my control lever. I would cut a big V into the crack and weld it with a 7018 rod. Look for places where the gaskets may have blown out. Pivot pins was mentioned. Operate the lift to raise the implement, while watching the fluid through the inspection hole. "@type": "Person", Not like position control mode where partial movement of the touch control partially raises the arms. Luckily the tractor gets little work. Includes left and right anchors.OEM #: 957E596, 957E597.Applic.. $14.36 $15.69 Spring, Hydraulic Control - 9N547B Draining water as it collects in the sumps can help to extend the fluid change interval, but fluid does not last forever. I just had this discussion w/ some folks who know more about welding than I do (which is about everyone) and the consensus was to remove some of the linkage for better access & mig weld it up. and if it looks like the pic, it will need to be repaired. NO, I do not want help improving my ranking on search engines. I mite as well add my opinion in on the rocker ware Welding is my call? Pressing or driving a common .3125 pin into the .309 hole can cause major problems and I strongly advise against it (Some thrifty folks rotate the old pin 180 degrees and reinstall it to get another few years of wear out of it. } Oddly enough, it is not the entire cam that is worn, maybe only the first third of it. Finally, I think I'll just get one of your jigs. Thanks, I guess my lift issues may have been a blessing as they led to finding the crack. Have a fairly heavy weight or load on the lift arms. I had a similar, though much less serious, crack in the ram arm on my 55 860. For a trailer queen, we would rebuild all the seals and stop the drips. I thought something was wrong because I expected it to lift in draft control for some reason. Never plow, etc. I think that the cam wear is part of the problem with my lift as well. We keep the brush down in the woods. There was a slight "curve" to it, but it had worked in the past with it so I thought , "what the heck". Thus, I removed the hydraulic control unit to adjust it. If you can see the other posting I just placed with the pic you will see "perfectly straight" would not describe my control lever. The only way arms go up is to hold draft control lever down. However, aLL unsolicited web service offers and other spam messages sent to my email address are filtered and deleted. I do see it is bent as well. I also now have a cam pin roller modification that can fix the problem as when the cam is worn sideways etc. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see If I could not add metal to build up the worn part of the cam I would install a longer pin and live with it . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. What do you think? There was a little wear from the rectangular end of the control spring plunger. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with this web site, nor is this site sponsored or endorsed by them in any way. "@id":"https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=nboard&th=958809", So, is it wear or suppose to have concave groove to rest on the dowell? After yesterday I don't have a clue how I could get the ram arm out. Regardless of the position of my quadrant support plate, I cannot get the valve completely open as directed in step 7a. If yours will not raise the plow in draft mode then something else is wrong. It appears you have just learned this to be true! Once again, I have little to add to the diagnostic and repair procedures in the I&T FO-4 manual. "@type": "ImageObject", How's this procedure Zane? However, after installing the cover on the tractor, making sure the control arm engaged the control rocker lever, placing the position control lever forward and the touch control lever at the top of the quadrant the intake control valve is nowhere close to all the way in the pump housing. I also removed the lift cover and checked and adjusted the constant draft and position control springs and replaced the neoprene and leather rings on the ram piston. ", Yes. Hydraulic control unit adjustment question. So, how's the weather? There is only one position in which the quadrant support plate can be located where both of the above conditions will be met. Additives that protect against wear, help prevent deposits, and corrosion wear out. https://www.steinertractor.com/IHS097-bolster-pivot-pin. "height": 57 It consists of a pto driven piston type pump with internal control valves and a lift cylinder connected to the rear lift arms. After starting the lift arms go all the way up and will not come down. You will need to replace the ram arm to prevent potential catastrophic damage in the future. So, if I am hearing you right your jig will fix my adjustment problems and the new cam pin roller modification will fix the cam wear issues. A premium synthetic that says it "MEETS" NH-410B (M2C-134D) is much thinner than 80 or 90 weight gear oil. Should the cam be smooth across its width? The crack has nothing to do with the lift performance at this time. Should the cam be smooth across its width? }, Please use the navigational links to explore our website. I recently bought a Ford 800, so my experience with the operation of this tractor is limited. I'm hoping the relatively light duty work will make the weld option more viable. I have a 1948 8N Ford tractor with a 7 foot sickle bar for doing the ditches. Hold the hydraulic touch control lever at the top of the quadrant and gently tap the quadrant support plate forward or backward until both of the above requirements are fulfilled. Here is the pic. "name": "Yesterday's Tractor Co.", I did take a look at it before I put it back together. Another question if I may. Look for leaks coming from above. "@id":"https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=nboard&th=118401", If its really stuck tight, youll have to pull the pump and rebuild it. Please use the navigational links to explore our website. The NH-410B is the current New Holland Agriculture OEM specification that is equivalent to Ford ESN-M2C-134D. Do you see that as well or just my original post and your responses? To completely drain the hydraulic system, there are three drain plugs at each of the low points in the sump. This means it works better as a year-round fluid. This could be severe leakage at the cylinder, a bad relief valve, or a badly worn pump. Guess I can lay awake for a couple of weeks thinking about it until I can get back to it. On the other hand, modern fluids are much better than what was available when the Operator's manuals were written. Flattened it no problem. It will only raise the plow with touch all the way up. DO NOT start to tighten top cover or pump flange bolts until you have made sure the linkage is correctly placed and not binding. "@context":"https://schema.org", If the knock is faint you can probably put off repairs for quite a while. In cold climates the water can freeze and break the chambers in the pump. LeRoy, my 1951 8n had not been started for 4 years. We had one in the shop but I didn't have a clue what it was for until I attended the training session on the lift. It appears you have just learned this to be true! None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. You obviously know a lot more about welding than I do. Quality Aftermarket 2N516A, 2N516A2 Hydraulic Lift Lever Control Friction Plate -Fits Ford TractorFits: 9N, 2N, 8N, Jubilee, NAA, 501, 600, 601, 800, 801, 900, 901 . Small leaks tend to get bigger, but you should be able to judge if your leaks are bad enough to have to remove the top cover and fix them. "description":"Discussion of Hydraulic control unit adjustment question. It is bent to the front which I would think would help me. This should allow you to see if the eccentric cams and pistons are moving properly. Hopefully my wear level is repairable with his cam pin roller modification. It is critical. BE CAREFUL! "name": "Yesterday's Tractor Co.", I have an older Ford 8 N. I was changing implements and when I went to lower the arms to attach a blade, the lever was very hard to move. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Thanks for the note that the washer can overdue it, that's what I was wanting to know. The most common complaints are addressed below. So, if I am hearing you right your jig will fix my adjustment problems and the new cam pin roller modification will fix the cam wear issues. Our friends at Steiner have all the parts youll need to fix your 8N hydraulics (and hydraulics on lots of other tractors too). So, is it wear or suppose to have concave groove to rest on the dowell? Pic attached. Thanks for te help. It goes in the lower front pivot bolster and looks like this. You are using an out of date browser. It usually takes 4-1/2 to 4-3/4 gallons not 5 as stated in the owner's manual. These rings are still available, inexpensive and will work just fine, but a small amount of leakdown is normal and is to be expected with them. 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