15. [American Inquiry, Day 7] There is no mention that he jumped in from B Deck. of her 24 double-ended boilers connected up." 29. (Click to enlarge). furniture and panelling was better that the Olympic is not accurate; furnishings and paneling aboard Titanic were, with the exception of unique rooms such as the their attention to it, and they all watched it disappear, but had then at once resumed Ever since "Titanic" came out 25 years ago, a debate has arisen about a pivotal scene toward the end that has become almost as iconic as the film itself. 12. alone did not sink Titanic, that it had a fire burning in the coal bunkers for a This is demonstrably false information. According to the documentary "Titanic Breaking New Ground", James Cameron sends a robot submarine into the sitting room of the promenade suite on B deck and films Alleged footage of Olympic's name on the wreck - it is obviously fake. It is likely connected with the false claim that the name Olympic was allegedly filmed by Dr. Ballard during his 1986 dive to the wreck -proven to be false in point no.38 here. It makes complete sense that the local Belfast runners did not sign up for a transatlantic maiden voyage that they were not experienced or interested in doing (losing all the local jobs they were used to) when local Southampton crew were used to such "long-haul" trips. Even more conclusively, a New York Times newspaper article of Thursday 28th March 1912 reveals that in March "J. Pierpont Morgan has written a cordial letter to So that makes it 3 vessels in the area. There is no record of anyone doing so. It is not surprising that even Frank Finch doubted the third-hand story he relayed. And if you compare actual photographs of Titanic's starboard side to images of the wreck you will see it matches completely: A direct comparison reveals that the B-deck windows on Titanic and wreck match precisely, revealing the 'meme' to be false. This claim shows a total ignorance, not only of Olympic and Titanic but of ships and shipbuilding in general. His wartime experiences heavily influenced his ensuing volumes of verse, which included the pamphlet Dead Soldiers (1981), containing a single poem on meeting Pol Pots brother in Cambodia; The Memory of War: Poems 19681982 (1982), including some of his student work; and Children in Exile (1983). December 31 st 1911. It has to be admitted that this is plain bizarre and shows at what lengths some will go to try and justify a conspiracy. There was nothing particulary newsworthy about her. rumours of an insurance scam, they would serve a minimum of 20 years in jail The Olympic didn't even have a carpet, but the Titanic -- ah, you sank in it up to your knees. What they seem to miss is that this is clearly a fake, computer generated image, as it doesn't match any other footage ever shot of the wreck let alone the bow section. huge and had been outfitted with the most expensive linoleum onboard (a "Persian Rug" linoleum pattern) so it does not make sense they would carpet over such an investment, especially as typically most dining rooms of the time were simply not carpeted. Difference in Titanic's name plate According to Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou "no such statement from any passenger is known." 19343. that the damaged Olympic had a broken keel and could not make half speed during the sea trials. Captain Smith on Titanic a manifest needs to be presented (and in the grand scheme of things and the overwhelming evidence a 'switch' did not take place would prove very little anyway). It is true that Titanic's sea trials were half that of Olympic's. However, if the panelling had been from Olympic the number would have been 400 not 401." Claim: Since an iceberg could not inflict such damage on a steel double-hulled vessel such as the Titanic, it must have hit James Fenton (b. On Olympic the fireplace was at the outer wall between two windows. They were only just entering the icefield. Claim: When you look at anything to do with advertising for the Titanic and White Star Line, the ship that was always used was Olympic and its interior every time they needed pictures. But more important than that, what evidence does Gardiner provide for such a plan, or even the existence of seacocks on Titanic? Bulkhead put on Olympic found in stern wreck But does this now mean we should treat with suspicion that there were "numerous" ships in the area when Titanic sank? In fact it had a "double-bottom" since shipbuilders at the time considered a full double hull an unnecessary expense, being satisfied with a double bottom instead. The photograph used to support this allegation, "taken from the top of the huge steel gantry" is of the launch of Olympic's hull (painted white) on October 10, 1910 in Belfast, Ireland: It allegedly shows a flat wheelhouse, however on closer inspection no wheelhouse can be seen. So technically Titanic did not "weigh" 46,328 tons - that was her gross tonnage (GT) or volume. Gardiner bases this hypothesis on the idea that the supposed iceberg was seen at such a short distance by the lookouts because it was actually a darkened ship. 13. Most agree that the Titanic split just forward of the third funnel. But there is a very simple and logical reason that does not necessitate a conspiracy. Firstly, the coal strike actually finished 9 days earlier on April 6, so normal traffic would have soon resumed. According to Gardiner, the original plan to pull off the sinking after the switch was to slowly flood the ship by opening the seacocks. 5. Author Steve Hall admits it could be the, 48. Ship's Bell with no name on it --Mal 21:03, 18 February 2007 . (Click to enlarge), Titanic author Steve Hall summarises the porthole history: "At the time of the Titanic's launch there were 14 portholes in the port side plating between the focsle deck and the sheer line of the hull, but by December the same year, the ship was fitted with an additional 2 portholes, giving her a total of 16. Olympic's wheelhouse in 1912 was curved at the front (left diagram) while Titanic's was straight. certainly not be unusual to discover a bulkhead in the stern of the wreck of Olympic, Titanic or Britannic and certainly does not prove a 'switch'. I can see no credible evidence of discolouration that would be proof positive of repair work, especially in the specific location where the Hawke penetrated Olympic's hull. Then there's the furniture: so heavy you could hardly lift it. It could be compared to a short haul and long haul flights today -often requiring very different airline cabin crews. There he won the Newdigate Prize for Poetry, a contest wherein students wrote poetry on a set topic, in this case the opening of trade and diplomatic relations between Japan and the United States in 185354. not go to sea as Titanic with Olympic written on the bells. They were: Californian (19 miles) a Leyland Line, Westbound London to Boston About James Fenton. The fireplace filmed in 1995 and which partly was shown in the "Titanic" movie at the beginning were actually the fireplace of sitting room B 51 which was occupied by Mrs. Cardeza and her son. Steve Hall's answer was actually responding to this question: "Does the wreck provide absolute proof it's not Olympic?" If not insurance, a switch would keep the company operational Titanic in the first week of March 1912 shows the stark contrast between the light grey primer and the fresh black top coat being applied (courtesy Jonathan Smith). He also confirmed that the ship was doing seventy-five revolutions, not 80 as was possible. sailed in a great hurry from Belfast and said that when they hit the iceberg it Firstly, it is true that the Carpathia had a capacity of more than what the Titanic was carrying - the Carpathia was certified for more than 2800. 19345. were not without further incidents either, as she was involved in several more collisions including with the Nantucket Lightship LV-117, causing the lightship to break apart and sink with seven fatalities out of Nantucket's crew of eleven. This has been touted by some as the no.1 piece of evidence of a 'switch' - that allegedly the Olympic had a flat wheelhouse not a curved one, hence matching the flat shaped wheelhouse found on the wreck. Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. Early on, she was broadly running level with Olympics His answer, as it was in relation to the wreck only, is because "the wreck wasn't 100% confirmed until Jim Cameron's expedition in 2010/11 i.e. Gewinner und Nominierte des Golden Globe Award in der Kategorie Beste Filmmusik (Best Original Score - Motion Picture), die die herausragendsten Leistungen von Komponisten des vergangenen Kalenderjahres prmiert.Die Kategorie wurde im Jahr 1948 ins Leben gerufen. Goodwin Antiques 295 $361.88 345.06 Silver Enamelled Bracelet Recess Antiques 50.00 $61.34 58.49 Silver Blade Fruit Knife . In 1979 he became a theatre critic for The Sunday Times, for which he also later served as a book critic. Mark Chirnside reports the following: "The companys surplus on the profit Ismay went on public record at the April 1912 United States Senate Hearings and also it was reported in the official public findings that the value of Titanic was "$7.5million" a figure independently verified by the New York Times and The Spectator ("$8 million") while insured at only "$5 million" (as reported at the Senate Inquiry, The New York Times and Lloyds itself). Why only them? Lack of publicity for Titanic there is no proof that a man of that name was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists . What is blatantly omitted in this claim is that of course - as Titanic had only just finished being fitted out and completed her sea trials and was on her maiden voyage (which only lasted 5 days), there was obviously not enough time to produce the required artwork and photographs of her. Claim: An old sailor of the Titanic, Paddy the pig, revealed shortly before his death that the Titanic was switched with its sistership, the Olympic. It is correct that Olympic's hull was painted white for her launch to stand out stronger in photographs and film, and that Titanic was not. Though a stint reporting from Germany for The Guardian (197879) was ultimately abortive, A Vacant Possession (1978), his pamphlet of narrative poems, was a critical success. Also, Fireman John Thompson said: I was told the ship was making close to twenty-three knots when she hit. Chirnside and Halpern discovered that "Titanics 546 mile run from noon Saturday to noon Sunday would be her best posted 'Titanic of the skies': The story of London's ill-fated luxury airship service to Melbourne. If a 'switch' was true, why would you need to create a 'meme' that is demonstrably false, by switching an 'actual' image of Titanic with the Olympic? the evidence that the number 400 (Olympic's number) is all over Olympic's woodwork (see more information on this here). 9 and was ordered by 1st Officer Murdoch down to A Deck where he helped with the loading of lifeboat No. Stick to the path. LET'S SEE THE "EXPERTS" DEBUNK THIS ONE." It is pure speculation about a 'switch' that did not happen. The ship photographed departing Southampton has 16 bow portholes. This has already been discussed here. 4. One issue with this theory is that THIS IS NOT A THEORY. Their reasoning is as follows: You can not add one thousand tons to a 46,000 ton ship and end up with a 46,000 ton ship. it is highly unlikely that any crew member would have foregone his pay, and no pay was ever claimed by a crewman named James Fenton. James Cameron took meticulous steps to ensure historical accuracy when creating his 1997 box office hit, Titanic.Since then, Cameron has done extensive research not only on the Titanic itself but the victims of the ill-fated liner. Leading Fireman Frederick Barrett testified before the British Wreck Commission that on the day of the collision This is because, of course, as an insurance scam everything was a set up and rescue ships were in the area waiting for the sinking. They also allege that the three wireless messages the Californian sent Titanic were personally addressed to Captain Smith, telling him of her position, as if the Californian was telling Smith that she was ready and waiting. Firstly because a collision resulting in water overflowing the top of a bulkhead was considered very unlikely. Presenter Danny Wallace says: "This is a cracking conspiracy theory and all too tempting to believe were it not for the mass of evidence against it so it seems Titanic and Olympic never were switched, there never was an insurance scam." Titanic advertising used photographs and artwork of the. The claim that Olympic was fitted with Titanics propeller has been made as a defense for the fact that the propeller on the wreck has Titanic's number on it: 401 The answer to this is very simple: The name during her building and her sailing are in partly different positions because in the first construction image it was written over on the negative. The Titanic's design used some of the most advanced technology available at the time and the ship was popularly believed to be . About This Item. This was because Olympic's patched-up hull could not take any long periods of high speed. When they were not working, they were in the pub, drinking and talking. 2nd-class: 200 Olympic had an "overlap of the plates, or strakes" forward of the bow anchors (described as "the doubler forward at the bower anchors"), while Titanic was different in that "the strake butted up against the doubler and did not overlap it.". The marble filmed on the wreck exactly matches that shown in a photograph of the corresponding stateroom aboard Olympic, taken in 1911. Known for his erudite, politically engaged and technically masterful poems, Fenton's early engagement with Auden left a marked influence on the younger poet's verse. It mentions "Paddy the Pig" aka James Fenton. ", The evolution of Titanic's port side portholes -from May 1911 when she was launched with 14, to April 1912 when she had 16. Surviving crew signed the Official Secrets Act, 35. 43. It was written in response to an article There seems absolutely no reason to find any conspiracy here - the difference in gross tonnage is historical, mathematical and logical. something else, in this case an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. Quite clearly the B-deck forward starboard windows are narrow - matching the wreck exactly. He continues that on the starboard side Steward Wheelton met Thomas Andrews on B Deck and that the boats were visible from the corridor on B Deck. Either way, the wheelhouse was not yet built at this stage, so no proof can be offered from this photograph. He wrote most of them when. Claim: The forged "Titanic" letters have rusted off and reveal a "MP" - part of the word Olympic that was actually engraved or embossed into the original metal panel of the ship. Both had the same configuration of portholes in March 1912. form near me in the afternoon and had questioned the library steward how he should declare his patent) said, "Well, I am accustomed to estimating distances and I put it at This was the number that was given to Titanic when it was being built in Belfast, Ireland. He claimed also that the crew had been ordered to sign the official secrets act. 38. Titanic did not strike an iceberg The crew aboard Titanic from Belfast to Southampton were (except for the deck officers) local operators (or "runners") who mostly worked on voyages that were made locally, and did this with a number of ships, not just Titanic. The number 401, Titanic's shipyard number, is also on the Titanic's starboard propeller. Claim: White Star never had any intention of scuttling the ship. How many crew and passengers were onboard prior to the rescue? Act explaining that if they told of the real reason for the sinking, or the However, Mount Temple (50 miles) Canadian Pacific Steamship Company cargo ship, Westbound, London to St. John's, Newfoundland To add more books, click here . overlook something as simple as the number of portholes on the outside of the ship? 14. Names riveted on, not welded Fenton was made a fellow of the Royal Society of Literature in 1983. Claim: The damage below Olympic's waterline was said to be far more serious as the super structure had warped. And there is evidence of 'white' paint on the hull of the wreck. 'Faux' as in false or imitation. (British Enquiry (Day 3) Thirdly, the description "numerous" is very misleading. TITANIC SAILOR'S DEATHBED CONFESSION OF 'SWITCH' In 1912 Paddy claimed that he was a 22-year- old ordinary seaman aboard Titanic. There are three key points regarding this claim: 1. Check this comparison: Comparison of where the actual damage to the Olympic was, and where the meme says it is on the Titanic wreck. And the answer is the same. It began in January of 1912 of the surviving crew. 21. The "Olympic" is the Titanic's sister ship ("RMS Olympic"), and part of the conspiracy . Difference in number of Titanic's portholes Morgan and Ismay would have to be fortune tellers as well as fraudsters! were being made to further increase the ships speed. would have remained in surplus. But of course there is overwhelming evidence it was the Titanic that sank, which places this particular claim as purely conspiracy conjecture, for which there is no logic, let alone evidence. name on it. The Government man read the crew the Official Secrets Secondly, and rather importantly, the names were not engraved on the lifeboats. In 1912 Paddy [claimed he] was a 22-year- But unsurprisingly in 2019 a new 'meme' appeared on the internet claiming to show evidence from the wreck site that repair work done to Olympic caused by the Hawke collision can be seen in wreck photographs, captioned with "YOU NEED PROOF? As far as I am 17. the game. So the accuracy of his statement is found wanting and thus calls into question his mention of carpet in the "dining saloon". Of course there is none. Frankfurt (140 miles) Norddeutscher Lloyd Line Eastbound, Galveston to Bremerhaven. 37. Also a sealed design would have restricted access to certain parts of the ship Only a limited number of changes required for a switch, 8. And all of this without even mentioning that the Carpathia was owned by Cunard, the White Star Line's key rival on the transatlantic service. Now, almost thirty years later, the director has one major regret regarding his depiction of a significant character in the movie. Clutch my hand. In my view it is very unlikely that the damage was more significant than was admitted at the time. PRODUCED BY AIVL, WHOI the number of revolutions some time on Monday or Tuesday to 78, which he claimed would drive the ship at While reporting from the Philippines for The Independent in 198689, he witnessed the fall of the abusive authoritarian regime of Ferdinand Marcos. This should not be surprising as the wheelhouse was built during the fitting out stage and so did not exist during the launch. 35. from the wreck was actually the crows nest (or lookout) bell, and he states: on In discussing the claim that "Olympic was fitted with Titanics starboard propeller shaft" Mark Chirnside summarises: "There is no evidence that Harland & Wolff ever used one of Titanics propellers, or propeller blades, on Olympic; there is every reason to believe that they would have had a spare Olympic propeller in any case.". I have contacted Steve Hall directly (November 2018) to clarify this and there are 4 important points to be considered: 1. Morgan also had several valuable bronze statues removed from the ship just one hour before she sailed! So conclusively, with no 'expert' opinion required, the Olympic's damage does not match this so called 'proof.' Plainly put, the addition of 1,000 lbs [sic] to the Titanic still resulted in the Titanic weighing [sic] 46,000, which doesnt make a lot of sense. "Wind", the opening poem in James Fenton's Yellow Tulips: Poems 1968-2011, was written over 30 years ago, but could be about any natural disaster or environmental crisis, and most of today's wars . In this photograph we see Captain Smith and First officer Murdoch on Olympic's bridge and clearly see a curved wheelhouse behind them. (This was mentioned in Dan van der Vat and Robin Gardiners 1995 book, The Riddle of the Titanic, page 21.) Dr. Fenton is a board-certified, fellowship-trained thoracic surgeon with training and experience in thoracic oncology and minimally invasive surgery, including robotic surgery. It involves 3 photographs. But according to Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou "none of Titanic's boats were reused by the White Star Line. Californian was not expecting rockets, but a rendezvous Claim: More than fifty first class passengers cancelled at the last minute, many of them friends and business associates of JP Morgan, and Morgan himself (who had money tied up in the White Star Line) also cancelled claiming that he was ill. Morgan was found two days later by a reporter in good health at a French resort with his mistress. This is the wreck montage here: PHOTOGRAPH 2012 RMS TITANIC, INC. But they were cut short for several good reasons. There is no proof that a man named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig" was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists. Hall and Beveridge note in regard to this photograph that although "the overlapped doubler is hidden behind the stowed anchor, off the bell. Updates? Despite the lack of any evidence (and the clearly fictional nature of the claim) it also has no logic for at least 5 key reasons: 1. But this is not due to it being the Olympic. 3. Even sailing at top speed through dangerous waters it arrived several hours after the sinking. Firstly, to confirm, bulkheads are the upright partitions dividing a ship into compartments, which on Titanic were 'watertight' compartments or bulkheads. 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